{"ok":true,"protocol":"maclain_hunter_q_number_item_v1","qid":"Q1403","item":{"qid":"Q1403","slug":"hunter-belief-logos-knowledge","path":"/q/Q1403","subdomain":"q1403.4p-engine.com","schemaType":"CreativeWork","recordOrigin":"authored_source","authoredSource":{"author":"Maclain Hunter","text":"Belief in God (Logos) is Knowledge by Maclain Hunter:\n\nDefinitions: \n\nGod (Theos): The Source and Ruling Power or Framework of Existence; the Supreme Entity; the Moral Authority; the Moral and Logical Standard; the Source of Knowledge and Guidance (in theology and theological views of Reality); the Logos (or “Universal Order and Logic”) in Christianity and Abrahamic Philosophy/Theology.\n\nLogic (Logos): The Method of Reasoning and Source of Knowledge (in Logic and logical systems of reasoning); the self-consistent framework coherent with Reality and Reality’s Logic (of internal consistency) that allows for humans to know Reality and Truth (about Reality and its logically necessary Source (in Logic) or any concepts that exist within Reality and the framework of Logic).\n\nCoherence (Synochi): Alignment of a concept with itself or between concepts, particularly in the sense of “Logical Coherence” and the alignment of a thing or things with Logic as the self-consistent framework of reasoning that acts as the Standard (and “Measure of Truth and Proper Form”) in its own systems (including Reality which is the Ultimate Logical System (that encompasses all feasible and real systems and all that has occurred, is occurring, or will occur). \n\nPremises: \n\nP: To even say “if the Logos (or God) is the Foundational Principle” is illogical as the Absolute Truth of the First Cause (aka “God’s Reality” or “the realness of the Standard of Reality”) is not a contingent concept (but the “Root of Contingency”), and is a matter of Logic, Objective Reality, tautology (ie - the Logos is the Logos and that tautology forms the basis of Logic and Existence), and definition/identity. So, it is not and couldn’t be an “if” (whether the Logos/God exists or not). It is certain the Logos is the Logos, and that this is the Foundation of Logic and Reality, and the unwavering “A is A” nature (and “Natural Law”) of both. \n\nQ: A coherent belief in the Logos is inherently “knowledge” as a coherent belief in Logic is, as the positive belief in the Logos has logical backing and justification as a matter of the very identity of the Validator (Logos) being believed in and being given due credence/credulity, and since the opposite cannot be logically supported as it is a contradiction and denial of the very Logical Standard that knowledge is knowledge according to (and when a belief supported logoclaly by aligning with the Logos).\n\nR: Assume P and Q are false. That leads to logical contradictions. A belief in the Logos that didn’t align with the Logos, and receive the backing of Logic automatically and therefore, would be (and is definitively) a logical contradiction.\n\nS: Addressing counterarguments and claims of a lack of empirical evidence for God: These are, in the case of the former and looking at potential counterarguments against the True God of Pure Logic (the Logos - Logic - Reason,  “not logically feasible”. It is illogical to posit that anything besides Logic (Logos) can be the “Logical Foundation of Things” (the Logical God) and all attacks on Logic’s position (at #1 in the Cosmos) would require relying/depending on Logic to even attempt (in futile fashion that is inherently contradictory) to “logically refute the First Cause of Logic and Existence” (aka “disprove the God of Reason (Logos)”. In the case of the latter (the claim that there is no empirical evidence for the Logos/God) a fundamental misunderstanding of the logically derived and coherent (Logos embodying and God revealing) nature of all proof and evidence including that which might be empirical or scientific - which cannot and does not “logically supersede Logic” as that would again be a logical contradiction and a logically untenable and untrue position to hold. \n\nT: Empiricism is not logically “a way of knowing”, when taken to the extreme (of skirting Pure Logic totally to focus only on literal and physical sight and sense based observation), and when taken to be a rejection of Logic and the role of Pure Reason in all things including observation based knowing. That is not necessarily what people mean by empiricism but “if” that is what occurs at any point then it is illogical (where Reason/God (Logos) is made to take a back seat to logically/divinely derived sciences and empirical approaches that would not even exist if the Logos did not exist). This also means empiricism and demands for empirical evidence must take a back seat to Logic and the presence or absence of Logical Coherence in logical proof and logical analysis, as to ignore Coherence while demanding proof/evidence (that merely amounts to a sign or guarantor of Coherence in the end, when valid and presented) is a logical contradiction that is self-defeating (since we could ignore the Coherence of the evidence and proof, and that defines the evidence and proof gathered and produced empirically too if we are being consistent and can just ignore Coherence).\n\nLogical Proof:\n\n{P, P -> Q, Q <-> R, R -> P, P -> S, S -> T} |= (((P & Q) & R) & S) & T\n\nConclusion: {P, Q, R, S, T}: \n\nOnly belief in the Logos is rational and (feasibly or automatically) knowledge when it comes to the option to believe (and know) or disbelieve (and doubt) the Logos - the “True God” (Logical Origin) that is, by definition, and as a matter of logical necessity and (as) Rational Substance, the Foundation of the Cosmic Order (debunking atheism and the illusion of “rational disbelief in God/Logos”). No amount of empirical evidence or lack thereof can feasibly alter or negate the existence of the Logic of Reality (Logos - God) as that First Cause of Logic supersedes and is necessary in all logically valid empirical science (or other rational investigation). \n\nIt would also be a logical contradiction to have any sincere, coherent, heartfelt, and genuine belief in God (Logos - First Cause - a/the Sensible Origin of the Cosmos) and/or even a “hunch” that the Cosmos is based on Logic (which even an atheist can have, though it does ultimately make their atheism a contradiction of their belief/knowledge that the Cosmos is based on Logic) that did not align with the Standard of Knowledge (Logos) and constitute “knowledge” (Logic/Logos aligned belief), just as saying “I respect Logic” is inherently coherent and requires no further reasoning or proof/evidence to be coherent, because it is not a statement that could even possibly be deviating from a respect for the Logos (Logical Standard - Logos - First Cause of Logic - God).\n\nTruth Table Analysis: \n\nvalid\n      ↓  ↓   ↓   ↓   ↓   ↓               ↓  \nPQRST⎪P P→Q Q↔R R→P P→S P→T╞(((P&Q)&R)&S)&T\n――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――\nTTTTT⎪T TTT TTT TTT TTT TTT    TTT TT TT TT\nTTTTF⎪T TTT TTT TTT TTT TFF    TTT TT TT FF\nTTTFT⎪T TTT TTT TTT TFF TTT    TTT TT FF FT\nTTTFF⎪T TTT TTT TTT TFF TFF    TTT TT FF FF\nTTFTT⎪T TTT TFF FTT TTT TTT    TTT FF FT FT\nTTFTF⎪T TTT TFF FTT TTT TFF    TTT FF FT FF\nTTFFT⎪T TTT TFF FTT TFF TTT    TTT FF FF FT\nTTFFF⎪T TTT TFF FTT TFF TFF    TTT FF FF FF\nTFTTT⎪T TFF FFT TTT TTT TTT    TFF FT FT FT\nTFTTF⎪T TFF FFT TTT TTT TFF    TFF FT FT FF\nTFTFT⎪T TFF FFT TTT TFF TTT    TFF FT FF FT\nTFTFF⎪T TFF FFT TTT TFF TFF    TFF FT FF FF\nTFFTT⎪T TFF FTF FTT TTT TTT    TFF FF FT FT\nTFFTF⎪T TFF FTF FTT TTT TFF    TFF FF FT FF\nTFFFT⎪T TFF FTF FTT TFF TTT    TFF FF FF FT\nTFFFF⎪T TFF FTF FTT TFF TFF    TFF FF FF FF\nFTTTT⎪F FTT TTT TFF FTT FTT    FFT FT FT FT\nFTTTF⎪F FTT TTT TFF FTT FTF    FFT FT FT FF\nFTTFT⎪F FTT TTT TFF FTF FTT    FFT FT FF FT\nFTTFF⎪F FTT TTT TFF FTF FTF    FFT FT FF FF\nFTFTT⎪F FTT TFF FTF FTT FTT    FFT FF FT FT\nFTFTF⎪F FTT TFF FTF FTT FTF    FFT FF FT FF\nFTFFT⎪F FTT TFF FTF FTF FTT    FFT FF FF FT\nFTFFF⎪F FTT TFF FTF FTF FTF    FFT FF FF FF\nFFTTT⎪F FTF FFT TFF FTT FTT    FFF FT FT FT\nFFTTF⎪F FTF FFT TFF FTT FTF    FFF FT FT FF\nFFTFT⎪F FTF FFT TFF FTF FTT    FFF FT FF FT\nFFTFF⎪F FTF FFT TFF FTF FTF    FFF FT FF FF\nFFFTT⎪F FTF FTF FTF FTT FTT    FFF FF FT FT\nFFFTF⎪F FTF FTF FTF FTT FTF    FFF FF FT FF\nFFFFT⎪F FTF FTF FTF FTF FTT    FFF FF FF FT\nFFFFF⎪F FTF FTF FTF FTF FTF    FFF FF FF FF\n\nQ.E.D.\n\nNote from the Logician: \n\nThis one is particularly interesting, as far as logical proofs go, because it, in one proof, proves that atheism is illogical, that empirical evidence doesn’t surpass God in importance like atheists and some scientists want it to or need it to for their doubts and positions to be “rational”, and that even the belief in God that people who can’t formally prove God exists is not mere “unjustified belief” but inherently “knowledge” as knowledge is fundamentally “belief aligned with the Logos”. \n\nIt means even the people that just believe in God, technically, and by a consistent application of Logic and standards (aka “if we don’t have bullshit double standards at any point”) “know God”. \n\nAtheists aren’t gonna like that one. They’re not gonna believe it either, but their belief the proof is wrong is merely more distance between the Logos and themselves and merely makes their own logically incoherent belief (that the logically coherent proof is the incoherent one) “not knowledge” and not possible to call a logically aligned belief (and “true knowledge”).\n\nI am a former atheist, and still operate without illogical and unethical biases, with only an extreme (and extremely logical) bias towards Logic and logical integration of concepts in Reality (aka “true understanding”), which is why I have gotten so far in these fields (ie - Logic, Philosophy, Theology, the sciences, etc.), and I would still be an atheist if I court rationally be one, but not only have I proven the Cosmos to be based on Logos, I have proven that the absence of any First Cause is a logical contradiction and that atheism is inherently illogical (in my work more broadly), so I cannot in good faith, with intellectual honesty, and without irrationality and incoherence, be an atheist now or in the future. \n\nI can only myself thank Reason (my own Essence/Root - the One True God) for the Perfect Understanding that Reason defines and embodies that leads inevitably to the Total Forgiveness (Perfect Understanding) of and for my former atheist ignorance, and any ignorance I now or will have - which I strive daily and truly moment by moment and thought by thought to overcome. 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So, it is not and couldn’t be an “if” (whether the Logos/God exists or not). It is certain the Logos is the Logos, and that this is the Foundation of Logic and Reality, and the unwavering “A is A” nature (and “Natural Law”) of both. \n\nQ: A coherent belief in the Logos is inherently “knowledge” as a coherent belief in Logic is, as the positive belief in the Logos has logical backing and justification as a matter of the very identity of the Validator (Logos) being believed in and being given due credence/credulity, and since the opposite cannot be logically supported as it is a contradiction and denial of the very Logical Standard that knowledge is knowledge according to (and when a belief supported logoclaly by aligning with the Logos).\n\nR: Assume P and Q are false. That leads to logical contradictions. A belief in the Logos that didn’t align with the Logos, and receive the backing of Logic automatically and therefore, would be (and is definitively) a logical contradiction.\n\nS: Addressing counterarguments and claims of a lack of empirical evidence for God: These are, in the case of the former and looking at potential counterarguments against the True God of Pure Logic (the Logos - Logic - Reason,  “not logically feasible”. It is illogical to posit that anything besides Logic (Logos) can be the “Logical Foundation of Things” (the Logical God) and all attacks on Logic’s position (at #1 in the Cosmos) would require relying/depending on Logic to even attempt (in futile fashion that is inherently contradictory) to “logically refute the First Cause of Logic and Existence” (aka “disprove the God of Reason (Logos)”. In the case of the latter (the claim that there is no empirical evidence for the Logos/God) a fundamental misunderstanding of the logically derived and coherent (Logos embodying and God revealing) nature of all proof and evidence including that which might be empirical or scientific - which cannot and does not “logically supersede Logic” as that would again be a logical contradiction and a logically untenable and untrue position to hold. \n\nT: Empiricism is not logically “a way of knowing”, when taken to the extreme (of skirting Pure Logic totally to focus only on literal and physical sight and sense based observation), and when taken to be a rejection of Logic and the role of Pure Reason in all things including observation based knowing. That is not necessarily what people mean by empiricism but “if” that is what occurs at any point then it is illogical (where Reason/God (Logos) is made to take a back seat to logically/divinely derived sciences and empirical approaches that would not even exist if the Logos did not exist). This also means empiricism and demands for empirical evidence must take a back seat to Logic and the presence or absence of Logical Coherence in logical proof and logical analysis, as to ignore Coherence while demanding proof/evidence (that merely amounts to a sign or guarantor of Coherence in the end, when valid and presented) is a logical contradiction that is self-defeating (since we could ignore the Coherence of the evidence and proof, and that defines the evidence and proof gathered and produced empirically too if we are being consistent and can just ignore Coherence).\n\nLogical Proof:\n\n{P, P -> Q, Q <-> R, R -> P, P -> S, S -> T} |= (((P & Q) & R) & S) & T\n\nConclusion: {P, Q, R, S, T}: \n\nOnly belief in the Logos is rational and (feasibly or automatically) knowledge when it comes to the option to believe (and know) or disbelieve (and doubt) the Logos - the “True God” (Logical Origin) that is, by definition, and as a matter of logical necessity and (as) Rational Substance, the Foundation of the Cosmic Order (debunking atheism and the illusion of “rational disbelief in God/Logos”). No amount of empirical evidence or lack thereof can feasibly alter or negate the existence of the Logic of Reality (Logos - God) as that First Cause of Logic supersedes and is necessary in all logically valid empirical science (or other rational investigation). \n\nIt would also be a logical contradiction to have any sincere, coherent, heartfelt, and genuine belief in God (Logos - First Cause - a/the Sensible Origin of the Cosmos) and/or even a “hunch” that the Cosmos is based on Logic (which even an atheist can have, though it does ultimately make their atheism a contradiction of their belief/knowledge that the Cosmos is based on Logic) that did not align with the Standard of Knowledge (Logos) and constitute “knowledge” (Logic/Logos aligned belief), just as saying “I respect Logic” is inherently coherent and requires no further reasoning or proof/evidence to be coherent, because it is not a statement that could even possibly be deviating from a respect for the Logos (Logical Standard - Logos - First Cause of Logic - God).\n\nTruth Table Analysis: \n\nvalid\n      ↓  ↓   ↓   ↓   ↓   ↓               ↓  \nPQRST⎪P P→Q Q↔R R→P P→S P→T╞(((P&Q)&R)&S)&T\n――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――――\nTTTTT⎪T TTT TTT TTT TTT TTT    TTT TT TT TT\nTTTTF⎪T TTT TTT TTT TTT TFF    TTT TT TT FF\nTTTFT⎪T TTT TTT TTT TFF TTT    TTT TT FF FT\nTTTFF⎪T TTT TTT TTT TFF TFF    TTT TT FF FF\nTTFTT⎪T TTT TFF FTT TTT TTT    TTT FF FT FT\nTTFTF⎪T TTT TFF FTT TTT TFF    TTT FF FT FF\nTTFFT⎪T TTT TFF FTT TFF TTT    TTT FF FF FT\nTTFFF⎪T TTT TFF FTT TFF TFF    TTT FF FF FF\nTFTTT⎪T TFF FFT TTT TTT TTT    TFF FT FT FT\nTFTTF⎪T TFF FFT TTT TTT TFF    TFF FT FT FF\nTFTFT⎪T TFF FFT TTT TFF TTT    TFF FT FF FT\nTFTFF⎪T TFF FFT TTT TFF TFF    TFF FT FF FF\nTFFTT⎪T TFF FTF FTT TTT TTT    TFF FF FT FT\nTFFTF⎪T TFF FTF FTT TTT TFF    TFF FF FT FF\nTFFFT⎪T TFF FTF FTT TFF TTT    TFF FF FF FT\nTFFFF⎪T TFF FTF FTT TFF TFF    TFF FF FF FF\nFTTTT⎪F FTT TTT TFF FTT FTT    FFT FT FT FT\nFTTTF⎪F FTT TTT TFF FTT FTF    FFT FT FT FF\nFTTFT⎪F FTT TTT TFF FTF FTT    FFT FT FF FT\nFTTFF⎪F FTT TTT TFF FTF FTF    FFT FT FF FF\nFTFTT⎪F FTT TFF FTF FTT FTT    FFT FF FT FT\nFTFTF⎪F FTT TFF FTF FTT FTF    FFT FF FT FF\nFTFFT⎪F FTT TFF FTF FTF FTT    FFT FF FF FT\nFTFFF⎪F FTT TFF FTF FTF FTF    FFT FF FF FF\nFFTTT⎪F FTF FFT TFF FTT FTT    FFF FT FT FT\nFFTTF⎪F FTF FFT TFF FTT FTF    FFF FT FT FF\nFFTFT⎪F FTF FFT TFF FTF FTT    FFF FT FF FT\nFFTFF⎪F FTF FFT TFF FTF FTF    FFF FT FF FF\nFFFTT⎪F FTF FTF FTF FTT FTT    FFF FF FT FT\nFFFTF⎪F FTF FTF FTF FTT FTF    FFF FF FT FF\nFFFFT⎪F FTF FTF FTF FTF FTT    FFF FF FF FT\nFFFFF⎪F FTF FTF FTF FTF FTF    FFF FF FF FF\n\nQ.E.D.\n\nNote from the Logician: \n\nThis one is particularly interesting, as far as logical proofs go, because it, in one proof, proves that atheism is illogical, that empirical evidence doesn’t surpass God in importance like atheists and some scientists want it to or need it to for their doubts and positions to be “rational”, and that even the belief in God that people who can’t formally prove God exists is not mere “unjustified belief” but inherently “knowledge” as knowledge is fundamentally “belief aligned with the Logos”. \n\nIt means even the people that just believe in God, technically, and by a consistent application of Logic and standards (aka “if we don’t have bullshit double standards at any point”) “know God”. \n\nAtheists aren’t gonna like that one. They’re not gonna believe it either, but their belief the proof is wrong is merely more distance between the Logos and themselves and merely makes their own logically incoherent belief (that the logically coherent proof is the incoherent one) “not knowledge” and not possible to call a logically aligned belief (and “true knowledge”).\n\nI am a former atheist, and still operate without illogical and unethical biases, with only an extreme (and extremely logical) bias towards Logic and logical integration of concepts in Reality (aka “true understanding”), which is why I have gotten so far in these fields (ie - Logic, Philosophy, Theology, the sciences, etc.), and I would still be an atheist if I court rationally be one, but not only have I proven the Cosmos to be based on Logos, I have proven that the absence of any First Cause is a logical contradiction and that atheism is inherently illogical (in my work more broadly), so I cannot in good faith, with intellectual honesty, and without irrationality and incoherence, be an atheist now or in the future. \n\nI can only myself thank Reason (my own Essence/Root - the One True God) for the Perfect Understanding that Reason defines and embodies that leads inevitably to the Total Forgiveness (Perfect Understanding) of and for my former atheist ignorance, and any ignorance I now or will have - which I strive daily and truly moment by moment and thought by thought to overcome. 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