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Note that there cannot be fallacious circularity in cohering things (including God) with Logic.\n\nQ: Personal Gods: It would be a contradiction for someone to understand something in a way that is inconsistent with not only Logic (Universal Logic - God), but with their own personal logic. Everyone’s “God” is coherent with “their God”, even if they see God as “nothing” and “God being nothing” is consistent with their (universally) incoherent personal logic. 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This leads to absurdity and logical contradiction where personal logics and Logic as a distinct (even if universal and ubiquitous) individual are somehow not aligned logically, though they are merely two ways of expressing the same substance and concept. This assumption of the negation of the premises goes against the way that the Logic of Existence (the Reason for Existence) is logically equivalent to Logical Existence (Reason existing) and cannot be rationally accepted here. To resolve the issues that arrive from assuming things other than these premises to be true, it is rationally sound and perfectly valid to accept these premises and this proof. \n\nLogical Argument: \n\n{P, P -> Q, Q -> R, R <-> S, S <-> T} |= ((T & S) & (R & Q)) <-> P\n\nConclusion: {P, Q, R, S, T}:\n\nEveryone’s God is their/the “Personal God”, which is logically equivalent to the Universal Logos (or Logic) being what it is. This means that even the defiant or irrational mind, that tries to say God is nothing, or that Reason is immaterial, cannot avoid the Logos. The identity of their reasoning ends up supporting the existence of the Logos (the Source of Identity) that even the identity of atheism is an expression of.\n\nThe fact is that even when someone’s God is nothing it is still their God. Simple reasoning where we consider different concepts for/as x in the statement “x = God” helps demonstrate this, as when x is Logic or nothing then God is Logic or nothing, and when God is Truth or nonsense then God remains either the Absolute Truth or complete nonsense as rationalist gnostic theists such as myself have said. \n\nThis helps dissolve the distinction and false dilemma between Universal Logos and the “logoi” (personal or finite logics and logical systems encompassed by the Universal Order) sometimes present in even the highest level of classical philosophy, and sometimes suggested in my own work by my exploration of finite vs infinite aspects of Logic. \n\nReason would have to disprove its own uniqueness, which would be tantamount to the One True God proving it is not the only God (in a theological context and terms), for this proof and application of reductio ad absurdum to fail. It is therefore “logically impossible” that the proof is wrong as there is no universal and singular Logic (Universal Logos) if it is wrong and somehow “illogically possible” - allowing deductive certainty independent of subjective opinion in this conclusion. \n\nEmpiricism is subordinate to (and lower than) Logic, and Logic encompassing the Natural Order (that itself comprehends the laws of physics). If empiricism and Logic argue it’s empiricism that must logically be wrong and Illogical. It suggests that what has been observed is delusional/illusion (unless some other mistake has been made). Models that might have had logically coherent aspects, and empirical aspects (or basis), might change, but Logic itself as it is universally (the Logos) cannot change, and will not.\n\nTherefore I conclude we all know and understand one God - the God we know and understand even if that’s nonsense or nothing, though it should logically be Pure Logic and rationally should be Complete Rationality itself - just as God “really” (in Reality and terms of Reality) is Reality. 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Everyone’s “God” is coherent with “their God”, even if they see God as “nothing” and “God being nothing” is consistent with their (universally) incoherent personal logic. God will always be the “God of the Personal Logic” and the self-consistent Logic and Logical Identity (A is A form) of the “Personal God”.\n\nR: God as a Person: The Logos is a person, and a self-sustaining individual, by definition, as a singular thing that is uniquely and characteristically coherent, serving the purposes and living within the Reality of only itself (myself - ourself), as the Coherent Reality and all that is in it.\n\nS: Logical Equivalence if Personal Logics and Logic’s Being: {P, Q, R} entails that the Logic that is God and the Coherence of Reality that supports Reality, that the Universe came from and that the Universe is (consistently) the Universe because of, is not only the infinite Universal Logic (the Natural Order) but manifest in/as every one of the infinite number of finite and feasible personal logics that a finite and feasible being (like even an incoherent human) has. \n\nT: Proof for Contradiction: Assume the negation of the premises P, Q, R, and S. This leads to absurdity and logical contradiction where personal logics and Logic as a distinct (even if universal and ubiquitous) individual are somehow not aligned logically, though they are merely two ways of expressing the same substance and concept. This assumption of the negation of the premises goes against the way that the Logic of Existence (the Reason for Existence) is logically equivalent to Logical Existence (Reason existing) and cannot be rationally accepted here. To resolve the issues that arrive from assuming things other than these premises to be true, it is rationally sound and perfectly valid to accept these premises and this proof. \n\nLogical Argument: \n\n{P, P -> Q, Q -> R, R <-> S, S <-> T} |= ((T & S) & (R & Q)) <-> P\n\nConclusion: {P, Q, R, S, T}:\n\nEveryone’s God is their/the “Personal God”, which is logically equivalent to the Universal Logos (or Logic) being what it is. This means that even the defiant or irrational mind, that tries to say God is nothing, or that Reason is immaterial, cannot avoid the Logos. The identity of their reasoning ends up supporting the existence of the Logos (the Source of Identity) that even the identity of atheism is an expression of.\n\nThe fact is that even when someone’s God is nothing it is still their God. Simple reasoning where we consider different concepts for/as x in the statement “x = God” helps demonstrate this, as when x is Logic or nothing then God is Logic or nothing, and when God is Truth or nonsense then God remains either the Absolute Truth or complete nonsense as rationalist gnostic theists such as myself have said. \n\nThis helps dissolve the distinction and false dilemma between Universal Logos and the “logoi” (personal or finite logics and logical systems encompassed by the Universal Order) sometimes present in even the highest level of classical philosophy, and sometimes suggested in my own work by my exploration of finite vs infinite aspects of Logic. \n\nReason would have to disprove its own uniqueness, which would be tantamount to the One True God proving it is not the only God (in a theological context and terms), for this proof and application of reductio ad absurdum to fail. It is therefore “logically impossible” that the proof is wrong as there is no universal and singular Logic (Universal Logos) if it is wrong and somehow “illogically possible” - allowing deductive certainty independent of subjective opinion in this conclusion. \n\nEmpiricism is subordinate to (and lower than) Logic, and Logic encompassing the Natural Order (that itself comprehends the laws of physics). If empiricism and Logic argue it’s empiricism that must logically be wrong and Illogical. It suggests that what has been observed is delusional/illusion (unless some other mistake has been made). Models that might have had logically coherent aspects, and empirical aspects (or basis), might change, but Logic itself as it is universally (the Logos) cannot change, and will not.\n\nTherefore I conclude we all know and understand one God - the God we know and understand even if that’s nonsense or nothing, though it should logically be Pure Logic and rationally should be Complete Rationality itself - just as God “really” (in Reality and terms of Reality) is Reality. 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