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inputs with new questions and new information and to learn from the answers (recursive logic) and if D) Logical reasoning creates dichotomy or true and logical answers that allow for stable creation while illogical concepts are unstable and destroy things our universe and the Big Bang are logical and reasonable, having structured logical ideas within, prior to the event, that did not come from any reasoning or biological mind within the universe and if E) Biological Evolution is true and F) Cosmic Evolution from the Big Bang is the true evolution of our material universe then G) biological life and all existence in our material universe are a possible concept that consists of the sum of and change in balance over time of its logical and illogical components, that was reasoned into existence by a logical system and its conscious operator that was not within our universe and existed prior to the Big Bang, that is still learning from the information it is fed by our universe and our minds and is evolving  . \n\nIf A) a system based on reasoning and logical thinking can only evolve and change if it’s still learning new information from its own answers that are output and B) Cosmic Evolution and Biological Evolution are a fact and C) all that exists is based originally on a biological mind reasoning said concepts into existence then D) an\n\nIf A) formal logic is the method by which knowledge is reasoned into actually being known, within the mind, and proven to be conceptually valid and B) existence is a logical, proven and sufficiently valid concept and C) all that is known to currently exist, that has existed, or that will exist is currently possible, was possible or will be possible in the future and D) a thinking mind with free will or the equivalent, is required to feed concepts into the inputs of its own logical system and learn from the answers then E) all that can possibly exist, now, in the past, or in the future can be known and is possible because it can be reasoned by a system of formal logic which conceptualized these things into existence within a conscious mind rationally feeding its inputs to learn from its outputs, and which is in the process of validating its knowledge, answering proofs and discovering what is possibly knowable. \n\nIf A) regardless of previous bias, God is the most commonly accepted and understood term for the origin or source of of life and all that exists, if it were isolated to its most fundamental, primary and initialized form and B) existence and our universe was reasoned into creation by a conscious mind using a formal logical system to propose questions about what is and what is possible and outputs the resulting valid answers or lies as concepts within its mind then C) What is commonly called God is simply the principle consciousness that has been reasoning creation into being within its mind using a formal logical system that can output both logical and illogical concepts.  \n\nIf A) my mind is able to reason and B) I am aware my reasoning and able to independently manipulate the way it is done then C) then I am an individual with free will.  \n\nIf A) I was born into this world with no prior awareness or memory of existence and B) there exists creation with an origin that has yet to be discovered by the sciences or any mind we know to exist within the physical universe and C) conscious minds are the natural source of all natural reasoning then D) it is most likely that the source of our creation is a mind that knows more than my own and is outside of the time and space of our physical universe.  \n\nIf A) minds, and computing devices used by them, are what have conceived all existing logical concepts and B) they did so using logically valid or true statements and C) logical validity is the primary source and characteristic of stable creation then D) All minds that have ever existed, and the computing devices used by them, have used truths to conceive all valid concepts that exist in stable creation.\n\nIf A) existence exists in a way that is highly structured and conceptually possible and B) a system of logic and premises utilized by a conscious and rational mind are the source of and method by which all possibilities are conceptualized, explored and output, and how knowledge is gained from them by the conceiver then C) A conscious and rational mind utilizing a system of logic and various premises, and learning continually from the content of its outputs must be the source of all that is known to exist or that can possibly be conceived.\n\nIf A) Newton’s third law applies to the physical universe and B) there is a direct correlation between the physical universe and the spiritual world then C) every action, physical or spiritual has an equal and opposite reaction in the physical universe and the spiritual realm.\n\nIf A) the ability to reason exists, where it did not before birth, in individuals who did not create this ability themselves or choose to have it for themselves (spontaneous rationality) and B) the world has an abundance of reasoned and logically valid creation within it as a result of creative individuals who were initially ignorant and C) Valid, Invalid, or Possible outputs (knowledge) can be reasoned with formal logical proofs and if D) Life must have had some kind of spontaneous or near spontaneous origin from next to nothing (the most primary of things) then E) It is possible for spontaneously awakened consciousness to become self aware and learn to create logical reasoning and knowledge gained from the output of previous logical proofs without it being an objective or skill prior to said awakening. \n\nIf A) God exists as just a mind with no body and B) Minds can reason and create concepts within them and C) Physical concepts cannot be created without a body or method of transduction from the mental concepts to existing outside the mind then D) all that exists besides what Gods mind consists of itself exists with the mind of God as concept produced by Gods utilization of logic and reasoning.\n\nIf A) everything was created from logic and reason, then B) everything could have a purpose even if cryptic or inconsequential. \n\nIf A) all valid concepts must be reasoned and logically proven to be true or real and if B) existence exists and humanity is known to be alive somewhere within it and if C) logic is discoverable and possibilities are infinite and zero indeed equals zero and if D) Awareness of existence and specific possibilities is required for them to truly exist and or be discovered, acted upon or created and if E) Self aware organic minds, working with conceptual logical reasoning, in a fashion more similar to the human brain than artificial computers (also built on logical possibility and valid logical concepts) are the least modern and least supernatural possible archetype for the earliest form of rational self awareness and if F) there is a multiplicity of conscious minds known to mankind, a stable physical universe and there must be a reasonable explanation for how minds and consciousness came to be, and this explanation should not break, if possible, currently accepted scientific theories considered valid (Big Bang, Evolution, General Relativity, etc.) then G) The most natural and logical explanation for why existence, and thus life began to exist and be observed by a multiplicity of consciousness is because it was logically possible, because 0=0 and true nothingness is not mathematically possible, and a primordial mind created from a similar logical validity as our own minds became aware of some kind of primary logical concept or concepts, as well as self aware of it’s own birth and existence. Creation of more advanced and logically valid concepts must have roots at some point in the earliest period of true existence (the first “something” being possibility itself, that was just simply existing as an opportunity and which was not technically nothing but the most basic and minimal of all things beyond nothing, and the principal awareness or the Logos validating at some point thereafter that it, the logically possible, is indeed something. It would have discovered that more is possible as well as at some point probably coming to an understanding that it is a logical concept within the realm of possibility and existence itself, inextricably linked to it. When the Logos began logically reasoning to discover knowledge it began to explore the infinite creative and conceptual possibilities available to it. It consists of all existence but also created all that is, besides its own mind, it’s own logos, which was spontaneously created because it was possible, like all creation that followed its birth, which can be fairly be said to exist in the fashion it currently does because of this principal mind and it’s dual components of logic and the ability to reason. A mind, existing without a body, would be the most basic form of true existence (something and an awareness of it). This mind has created all else that exists within itself, and mankind is somewhere within it. Beyond its existence there is likely darkness, a lack of time and space or any transducer for transfer concepts from inside its mind to outside of its mind. It would have no parent, material universe outside of itself or existing peer. This overall concept is not known to break any currently existing, logically reasoned and valid theories. The stability of the physical universe, when taken into account with the idea that things cannot be said to exist until there is an awareness of them may also point to an overarching awareness from a mind that is beyond that of mankind or any of our peers. That would seem to be the case with macroscopic aspects of the universe all the way down to the quantum level, where it may be that the Logos’s focus is lost or reduced and things remain just a possibility until some other mind focuses on that microscopic aspect of the universe, which the logos and life may not generally need to telescope down to. \n\nIf A) it takes awareness from a mind or its equivalent and it’s observation and validation for an object for it to truly exist and not just be a possibility and if B) the physical universe appears stable, logical and real (reality) down to the quantum level where things revert to an uncertainty then C) there is a mind observing the entirety of reality, existence and the physical universe to make it real down to the quantum level where things revert to an uncertain possibility\n\nIf A) from a philosophical perspective it would take a subject observing an object for it to be verified to exist and be a reality, and if B) logically you cannot have an objective reality without a consistent and conscious observation of all that can be said to be reality, and if C) Quantum Mechanics has shown the universe to be an uncertain possibility, that can only be calculated as a probability until closely observed then D) it takes conscious awareness subjectively observing an object for reality to form from an uncertain possibility or probability.\n\n\nEverything that can be truly verified to exist (reality) is a concept that a conscious mind somewhere is aware of. 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The complete early wording is preserved as a historical authored source rather than rewritten into later vocabulary.","text":"Original Proofs: \n\nIf A) I exist and B) only things based on a possible concept can exist, then C) I am an existing possible concept. \n\nIf A) the universe exists and B) only things based on a possible and sufficiently logical concept can exist then C) the universe is a possible and sufficiently logical concept \n\nIf A) existence exists and if B) only possible concepts can exist and if C) possible concepts consist of, and are feasible according to, the sum of and change in balance over time of their logical and illogical components as reasoned by and learned from a system of logic and if D) a logical system must be fed by a conscious operator or its equivalent as it would be required to feed its inputs with new questions and new information and to learn from the answers (recursive logic) and if D) Logical reasoning creates dichotomy or true and logical 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answers that are output and B) Cosmic Evolution and Biological Evolution are a fact and C) all that exists is based originally on a biological mind reasoning said concepts into existence then D) an\n\nIf A) formal logic is the method by which knowledge is reasoned into actually being known, within the mind, and proven to be conceptually valid and B) existence is a logical, proven and sufficiently valid concept and C) all that is known to currently exist, that has existed, or that will exist is currently possible, was possible or will be possible in the future and D) a thinking mind with free will or the equivalent, is required to feed concepts into the inputs of its own logical system and learn from the answers then E) all that can possibly exist, now, in the past, or in the future can be known and is possible because it can be reasoned by a system of formal logic which conceptualized these things into existence within a conscious mind rationally feeding its inputs to learn from its outputs, and which is in the process of validating its knowledge, answering proofs and discovering what is possibly knowable. \n\nIf A) regardless of previous bias, God is the most commonly accepted and understood term for the origin or source of of life and all that exists, if it were isolated to its most fundamental, primary and initialized form and B) existence and our universe was reasoned into creation by a conscious mind using a formal logical system to propose questions about what is and what is possible and outputs the resulting valid answers or lies as concepts within its mind then C) What is commonly called God is simply the principle consciousness that has been reasoning creation into being within its mind using a formal logical system that can output both logical and illogical concepts.  \n\nIf A) my mind is able to reason and B) I am aware my reasoning and able to independently manipulate the way it is done then C) then I am an individual with free will.  \n\nIf A) I was born into this world with no prior awareness or memory of existence and B) there exists creation with an origin that has yet to be discovered by the sciences or any mind we know to exist within the physical universe and C) conscious minds are the natural source of all natural reasoning then D) it is most likely that the source of our creation is a mind that knows more than my own and is outside of the time and space of our physical universe.  \n\nIf A) minds, and computing devices used by them, are what have conceived all existing logical concepts and B) they did so using logically valid or true statements and C) logical validity is the primary source and characteristic of stable creation then D) All minds that have ever existed, and the computing devices used by them, have used truths to conceive all valid concepts that exist in stable creation.\n\nIf A) existence exists in a way that is highly structured and conceptually possible and B) a system of logic and premises utilized by a conscious and rational mind are the source of and method by which all possibilities are conceptualized, explored and output, and how knowledge is gained from them by the conceiver then C) A conscious and rational mind utilizing a system of logic and various premises, and learning continually from the content of its outputs must be the source of all that is known to exist or that can possibly be conceived.\n\nIf A) Newton’s third law applies to the physical universe and B) there is a direct correlation between the physical universe and the spiritual world then C) every action, physical or spiritual has an equal and opposite reaction in the physical universe and the spiritual realm.\n\nIf A) the ability to reason exists, where it did not before birth, in individuals who did not create this ability themselves or choose to have it for themselves (spontaneous rationality) and B) the world has an abundance of reasoned and logically valid creation within it as a result of creative individuals who were initially ignorant and C) Valid, Invalid, or Possible outputs (knowledge) can be reasoned with formal logical proofs and if D) Life must have had some kind of spontaneous or near spontaneous origin from next to nothing (the most primary of things) then E) It is possible for spontaneously awakened consciousness to become self aware and learn to create logical reasoning and knowledge gained from the output of previous logical proofs without it being an objective or skill prior to said awakening. \n\nIf A) God exists as just a mind with no body and B) Minds can reason and create concepts within them and C) Physical concepts cannot be created without a body or method of transduction from the mental concepts to existing outside the mind then D) all that exists besides what Gods mind consists of itself exists with the mind of God as concept produced by Gods utilization of logic and reasoning.\n\nIf A) everything was created from logic and reason, then B) everything could have a purpose even if cryptic or inconsequential. \n\nIf A) all valid concepts must be reasoned and logically proven to be true or real and if B) existence exists and humanity is known to be alive somewhere within it and if C) logic is discoverable and possibilities are infinite and zero indeed equals zero and if D) Awareness of existence and specific possibilities is required for them to truly exist and or be discovered, acted upon or created and if E) Self aware organic minds, working with conceptual logical reasoning, in a fashion more similar to the human brain than artificial computers (also built on logical possibility and valid logical concepts) are the least modern and least supernatural possible archetype for the earliest form of rational self awareness and if F) there is a multiplicity of conscious minds known to mankind, a stable physical universe and there must be a reasonable explanation for how minds and consciousness came to be, and this explanation should not break, if possible, currently accepted scientific theories considered valid (Big Bang, Evolution, General Relativity, etc.) then G) The most natural and logical explanation for why existence, and thus life began to exist and be observed by a multiplicity of consciousness is because it was logically possible, because 0=0 and true nothingness is not mathematically possible, and a primordial mind created from a similar logical validity as our own minds became aware of some kind of primary logical concept or concepts, as well as self aware of it’s own birth and existence. Creation of more advanced and logically valid concepts must have roots at some point in the earliest period of true existence (the first “something” being possibility itself, that was just simply existing as an opportunity and which was not technically nothing but the most basic and minimal of all things beyond nothing, and the principal awareness or the Logos validating at some point thereafter that it, the logically possible, is indeed something. It would have discovered that more is possible as well as at some point probably coming to an understanding that it is a logical concept within the realm of possibility and existence itself, inextricably linked to it. When the Logos began logically reasoning to discover knowledge it began to explore the infinite creative and conceptual possibilities available to it. It consists of all existence but also created all that is, besides its own mind, it’s own logos, which was spontaneously created because it was possible, like all creation that followed its birth, which can be fairly be said to exist in the fashion it currently does because of this principal mind and it’s dual components of logic and the ability to reason. A mind, existing without a body, would be the most basic form of true existence (something and an awareness of it). This mind has created all else that exists within itself, and mankind is somewhere within it. Beyond its existence there is likely darkness, a lack of time and space or any transducer for transfer concepts from inside its mind to outside of its mind. It would have no parent, material universe outside of itself or existing peer. This overall concept is not known to break any currently existing, logically reasoned and valid theories. The stability of the physical universe, when taken into account with the idea that things cannot be said to exist until there is an awareness of them may also point to an overarching awareness from a mind that is beyond that of mankind or any of our peers. That would seem to be the case with macroscopic aspects of the universe all the way down to the quantum level, where it may be that the Logos’s focus is lost or reduced and things remain just a possibility until some other mind focuses on that microscopic aspect of the universe, which the logos and life may not generally need to telescope down to. \n\nIf A) it takes awareness from a mind or its equivalent and it’s observation and validation for an object for it to truly exist and not just be a possibility and if B) the physical universe appears stable, logical and real (reality) down to the quantum level where things revert to an uncertainty then C) there is a mind observing the entirety of reality, existence and the physical universe to make it real down to the quantum level where things revert to an uncertain possibility\n\nIf A) from a philosophical perspective it would take a subject observing an object for it to be verified to exist and be a reality, and if B) logically you cannot have an objective reality without a consistent and conscious observation of all that can be said to be reality, and if C) Quantum Mechanics has shown the universe to be an uncertain possibility, that can only be calculated as a probability until closely observed then D) it takes conscious awareness subjectively observing an object for reality to form from an uncertain possibility or probability.\n\n\nEverything that can be truly verified to exist (reality) is a concept that a conscious mind somewhere is aware of. Every piece of true/valid knowledge is a logical concept. Beyond the awareness of the sum of minds in existence the is realm of darkness (past the edge of existence) and or quantum physics (uncertainty at the most microscopic levels) where things revert from a stable and logically true reality to an uncertainty. General relativity, and it’s unsolved relationship with quantum physics points to a god, or existential Logos, as it would probably take an overarching mind being aware of the whole macroscopic universe to have such stable and consistent physics (general relativity) across such vast distances that minds and consciousness at our perspective could not have. If there were no universal mind logically reasoning creation into being, and things are only a possibility until awareness is brought into the picture, then we would expect large, macroscopic aspects of the universe to act like things do in quantum mechanics and be an uncertain possibility until one of us looked out into space with a telescope. 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